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Post by walleyed on Nov 28, 2020 2:11:59 GMT
The State trapping association would have been better served if John and Laura Gidney and Mike Finn would have been given a chance. !!!! w |
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 28, 2020 2:16:19 GMT
Obviously I am not going to change anyone's mind. I will say that I am not ashamed of anything that I have done in all of this. Let me state that I have long been outspoken against the DEC/Cornell trapper surveys; very carefully worded to trick trappers into giving DEC the results they are looking for. Going back to the NTA convention at Hamburg I approached then President Ed Hogan with concerns about how Gamba was handling the money.He was Gamba's buddy and blew me off. It was I that blew the whistle on Gamba at a director's meeting when I stated that I did not buy his treasurer's report, and yes the State Police were contacted. Finally, to this day I fully support the Gidneys and the tremendous job they did straightening out the financial mess left behind by Gamba. Unfortunately there were some rumor spreaders claiming they were trying to take over NYSTA, the farthest thing from the truth. As for BOD members,without question, there are some, but not all, that don't belong there. NYSTA has trouble enough filling those seats, let alone getting someone to quit. It was at this time that my responsibility to the membership was not getting met and I resigned,but again, I did nothing wrong in all of this. the actions of gamba went on at least 2 years before the police were called. the board was negligent with funds, no oversite at all. a broken cash register for at least 3 conventions. who in there right mind thinks that is right? it seems ALyou liked being"on the inside" but when you should called cops or start calling "regular members" about the problems you just quit. |
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 28, 2020 2:22:46 GMT
The State trapping association would have been better served if John and Laura Gidney and Mike Finn would have been given a chance. i have never meet these people but they tried. if given help by other board members they would of solved these issues. they would have brought out what was wrong in the nysta. thats the reason they were NOT GIVEN A CHANCE. |
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Post by fisherman on Nov 28, 2020 15:42:03 GMT
It is very easy Mr.Ratter for you to sit behind your computer screen and tell me I should have done this or I should have done that. I am proud of my record with NYSTA. I would ask what you have done to protect or improve trapping in New York, other than run your big mouth?
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 29, 2020 6:53:41 GMT
It is very easy Mr.Ratter for you to sit behind your computer screen and tell me I should have done this or I should have done that. I am proud of my record with NYSTA. I would ask what you have done to protect or improve trapping in New York, other than run your big mouth? well as i have stated before i have helped anyone who has asked. belong to 4 trapper organizations. given well over 100 traps to kids. bought hundreds of dollars no thousands of dollars worth of raffle tickets,fifty,fifty tickets at nysta conventions spent thousands of dollars at the convention over the years. now us "ordinary" trappers learn you and the rest of the board pissed the money away. that money was to protect are trapping rights in nys. now the assoc. is broke. so AL what" you are proud of," is some thing that most people who have a brain would be ashamed of. |
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Post by fisherman on Nov 29, 2020 14:52:37 GMT
Once again you are talking about things that are not true. Where you get your "facts" is beyond me. Have a nice day.
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 29, 2020 15:52:39 GMT
Once again you are talking about things that are not true. Where you get your "facts" is beyond me. Have a nice day. " my facts" 1. gamba stole money from nysta.you were on the board 2. in your own posting on here and w.jones site you said you knew some thing was wrong. but instead of calling in law enforcement you resigned. 3. board had little to no oversite on monies coming in to nysta. you were on the board 4.broken cash register at convention for at least 3 years? you on the board. i asked people who run different organizations that i no, they all told me that is a red flag that some thing is really wrong. one said who would want to be responsible for all that cash. 5.why not have a audit every year or two. as a board member why not vote to get it done? does not make sense. 6.why only one person holding check books. does not make sense you on the board. |
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Post by walleyed on Nov 29, 2020 18:38:57 GMT
Mr.Ratter, I would ask what you have done to protect or improve trapping in New York, other than run your big mouth? I'd say Ratter48 has done plenty. He's been a loyal member of NYSTA until "Gambling Gamba" ran off to Turning Stone Casino with the Herkimer NYSTA state convention proceeds. As a Northern Zone muskrat trapper, he's spent the last three months speaking out against NYSTA and JTI Chair Rockwood for fully supporting the season change proposal and the loss of a weeks muskrat trapping, and Rockwood's sabotaging of the central & western zone muskrat trapper's November 10th opener without consulting the trappers out there. As trappers, he, and others have no other option to voice our objections to the loss of our trapping opportunity. The DEC won't listen to us, and our own NYSTA trapping organization works behind the scenes to take away part of our muskrat season, and actively blocks the expansion of muskrat trapping in the central & western zone. Again we say, What will Rockwood and NYSTA give or take away next in their efforts to protect and serve the trappers of NYSTA. People like Rockwood are a big reason that less 2,000 and not much more than 1,500 trappers are members of NYSTA. New York State's other +or- 12,000 trappers don't believe that NYSTA has our backs, especially since our membership funds go for "Gambling Gamba's" escapades to Turning Stone Casino after a day of hard work fund raising by the other NYSTA volunteers. I commend ratter48 for having the courage to speak out. AL, We all know of your years of support & commitment to NYSTA. BUTWhat have you done lately for NTSTA, except for being Johnny Sneakums Rockwood's attack dog when anyone chooses to speak out against the theft of our trapping rights. All of the above, in my opinion, of course. walleyed |
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 29, 2020 19:58:58 GMT
thank you wally,
i have never posted on any forum in my life.
the reason im posting is these issues have never seen the light of day.
i have been going to herkimer since it has been held there.
since this shit show has been going on with gamba, i have asked every person
at the convention who is a " inside person" what is going on with gamba.
they give the same b.s. you say. they just pass the buck.
i got a pm from a board member on lynxlair.
he said"the gidneys quit we did not push them out"
i had asked him why didnt the assoc take gamba to civil court.
his answer was"if you know someone who has 20,000 to give us we will"
what kind of asinine answer is that?
he wanted my phone number so the president could talk to me
the president should send something to all members not a few.
they just dont get it.
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 29, 2020 20:07:59 GMT
when i tell people i know that the former pres. of nysta and the current head of jti. that he is helping the dec to shorten rat season in nny,and doesnt want wny. to have a longer season they think i am joking. then when i tell them he works as a trapper with the fed. gov and also as a furbuyer they say conflict of interest. it is just common sense. even RAY CHARLES can see it.  |
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Post by walleyed on Nov 29, 2020 20:42:48 GMT
when i tell people i know that the former pres. of nysta and the current head of jti. that he is helping the dec to shorten rat season in nny,and doesnt want wny. to have a longer season they think i am joking. then when i tell them he works as a trapper with the fed. gov and also as a furbuyer they say conflict of interest. it is just common sense. even RAY CHARLES can see it. Don't forget Stevie Wonder, ratter48 !!!  w |
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Post by fisherman on Nov 30, 2020 3:30:32 GMT
I have been around for a long, long time; since the Piseco Lake conventions, I have served in every position within NYSTA except Treasurer. I am also a past President of the Foothills Trappers Assn. I served for just under 25 years as JTI Chairman and have been involved in issues that you guys don't even remember.
Yes, I was on the Board when Gamba stole the money. I remind you that I brought my concerns about Gamba at the Herkimer Convention to then President Ed Hogan. They fell upon deaf ears.
It was I that first spoke out at a Director's meeting when I spoke out against Gamba's Treasurer's Report. This brought the full matter to the attention of the Board.
I spoke out repeatedly about the handling of money after the convention auctions,and not just one Treasurer.
You guys have all of the answere, how many of you know about the disappearance of Money at the Tupper Lake Convention, or were you still in diapers?
I agree that there should be an audit every year, believe that is being done now.
As far as the handling of the Gamba matter I have not been involved with that,but I am very unhappy with how it has been handled, and yes the State Police were contacted.
At one time I had a NYSTA credit card as JTI Chairman. Was not using it so turned it back into Gamba before I knew he was a thief.
I have been Treasurer of another organization and fully wanted annual audits and two signatures on checks. However accomplishing that in a statewide organization is not so easy.
I do want to clear the air about myself. Ever since I have been involved in NYSTA there has been constant drama and turmoil; from being threatened with arrest to years upon years of a thorn in my side by one particular JTI member. Thank God, that person was thrown off of the committee by a unanimous vote of the BOD.
I am my own man and have always stood for what I think is right.
The reason that I resigned is that I am sick of the Bullshit. What have I done for NYSTA lately? Absolutely nothing. My life is a whole lot better now, I just don't need all of that crap.
One final note.I did protest against the shortened rat season, however I take note that there are only two or three of you doing all of the crying and whining The Complainer in Chief even got thrown off of another website because of it, but still doesn't get it.
I choose my friends and neither of you are in the running!
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 30, 2020 4:13:51 GMT
i am sorry AL that you dont see what im saying.
you talk about money missing in tupper lake.
that was all most 40 years ago. so the nysta.
has for over 40 years had thieves in it?
but you keep telling us how you are proud of your service in nysta.
you say its hard to get yearly audit.you were on the board all you need to do
is vote on it.how hard is that? the same with 2 signatures just vote on it.
take it to the bank. we had a lawyer then? you keep calling me names.
i think you are ether naive or really dumb. i was thrown off w. jones site
that is true because people like you keep complaining because i and other members want the truth
about stolen monies and why rockwood and jti took a stance with dec.
you are like the rest of nysta. bod. they want to cover up everything.
al,i mean no disrespect to you, but
you are not the type of person who i would ever have for a friend.
my friends have morals and have a innate sense of right and wrong.
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Post by sawmillcreek on Nov 30, 2020 15:09:29 GMT
Maybe I missed something. When I looked today, it appeared the western NY got a 11/10 opener for next year
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Post by marshrat on Nov 30, 2020 16:43:29 GMT
I looked into this. My dues were stolen when I tried to join the NYSTA. The police told me I can personally press charges against each person that was on the BOD at the time for theft. This will be a felony for fraud.
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