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Post by riverrat on Nov 24, 2020 20:00:13 GMT
No, I know all about the NYS register. You mentioned a "state website", not the NYS Register. I was inquiring about the "state website" that I had not yet heard about until you mentioned one. w I figured you did you grumpy old .
I never mentioned one, ratter did.
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 24, 2020 22:30:56 GMT
IM SORRY WALLY, I SCREWED UP. RIVERRAT FIXED IT FOR ME. THANKS RIVERRAT. WALLY GO KILL SOME DEER. YOUR GRUMPY.LOL
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 26, 2020 0:12:46 GMT
the changes to the season are on the NYS register, please go read them
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Post by walleyed on Nov 26, 2020 0:43:25 GMT
So all the initial changes to the Northern Zone muskrat season went through despite all the public comment to the contrary.
Sounds like The DEC leaned heavily on the support they got from the NYSTA "Official Response" as written by Old Johnny Sneakums Rockwood.
His "Official Statement" to DEC helped steal a week of our muskrat season just like a trap thief operates.
Still have not found one Northern Zone muskrat trapper who supported the loss of one week of our season.
You can bet that there is not one DEC biologist of those who dreamed up this rule change that has trapped any of the Lake Ontario coastal marshes nor dealt with any of the associated weather/water conditions normally present for most of the season.
Just remember that this turncoat Rockwood has sold us down the river with the DEC, and we'd better start wondering what part of our trapping rights, or what part of what season is he going to negotiate away in the future as the JTI Chairman.
He should resign, and help make financial restitution to NYSTA for the "Gambling Gamba" fiasco since it happened on his watch as NYSTA president.
Sad and disgusting.
All of the above in my opinion, of course.
walleyed
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 26, 2020 14:29:49 GMT
rockwood has done more damage to nys.trappers in the last 2 years than antis have done in 20plus years. the man needs to go away. a TRUSTED friend of mine has told me attorney generals office has a active file on the matter of funds missing from nysta. maybe subpoenasare coming? but maybe just rumors? maybe bullcrap? wno knows?
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Post by fisherman on Nov 27, 2020 16:30:30 GMT
I am saddened to see this continual bashing and name calling of John Rockwood. I am also opposed to the loss of any trapping days, anywhere. I have known John Rockwood for years and refuse to give upon him. I know John as one of the best President's NYSTA ever had, under very difficult conditions and at the cost of his own health. No one is more dedicated to trapping than John Rockwood and I know him to be an honest man of great integrity. I was not involved during discussions about this season change, but I can tell you one man alone did not accomplish this. Why are you singling out Rockwood? What about the rest of the JTI members? The truth here is the real enemy is not Rockwood , JTI, or NYSTA. The real enemy is DEC , PERIOD! I have heard this desire to open all seasons on the same day, years ago. Just to make things easier for DEC with no scientific basis. By the way,I too am in the area affected by this change, but I don't have enough rats to say so. I too have lost trapping days (16) due to one biologist for whom I have lost all respect. Arrogant, condescending, and will not listen. Strictly a 9 to 5 Monday through Friday kind of guy. My names for him would blister a state trooper's vocabulary. As for the theft of money, Rockwood had nothing to do with that. The man was an alcoholic, compulsive gambler, and outright thief. I too think this has dragged on far too long and NYSTA has handled it poorly. Far too many excuses, failed lawyers. I doubt any money will be recovered. I will remind everyone that it was I that sounded the alarm on Gamba.
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Post by walleyed on Nov 27, 2020 19:12:49 GMT
None of this is about you, AL.
It's about Johnny Sneakums Rockwood being complicit in the theft of part of our rat trapping season.
He wrote the "official NYSTA response" fully supporting the DEC's plan to align the water trapping seasons,
and he was derelict in his duty to consult the Northern Zone trapper's who were most affected.
He also knew damn well those Cornell Trapper surveys were designed to trick trapper's into preconceived outcomes.
Nobody trapping the Northern Zone answered any questions agreeing to lose part of their trapping season to align the water trapping seasons for the convenience of the DEC law enforcement officials.
Rockwod lied about getting the opinions of Northern Zone trappers, and he lied about consulting South Western Zone trappers about a earlier November 10th opener as well.
He needs to resign.
All in my opinion, of course.
walleyed
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 27, 2020 19:13:00 GMT
I am saddened to see this continual bashing and name calling of John Rockwood. I am also opposed to the loss of any trapping days, anywhere. I have known John Rockwood for years and refuse to give upon him. I know John as one of the best President's NYSTA ever had, under very difficult conditions and at the cost of his own health. No one is more dedicated to trapping than John Rockwood and I know him to be an honest man of great integrity. I was not involved during discussions about this season change, but I can tell you one man alone did not accomplish this. Why are you singling out Rockwood? What about the rest of the JTI members? The truth here is the real enemy is not Rockwood , JTI, or NYSTA. The real enemy is DEC , PERIOD! I have heard this desire to open all seasons on the same day, years ago. Just to make things easier for DEC with no scientific basis. By the way,I too am in the area affected by this change, but I don't have enough rats to say so. I too have lost trapping days (16) due to one biologist for whom I have lost all respect. Arrogant, condescending, and will not listen. Strictly a 9 to 5 Monday through Friday kind of guy. My names for him would blister a state trooper's vocabulary. As for the theft of money, Rockwood had nothing to do with that. The man was an alcoholic, compulsive gambler, and outright thief. I too think this has dragged on far too long and NYSTA has handled it poorly. Far too many excuses, failed lawyers. I doubt any money will be recovered. I will remind everyone that it was I that sounded the alarm on Gamba. why didnt you as a member of the board call the state police? that was your legal and moral obligation under nys law. rockwood is the head of jti i know if he didnt push this issue the jti would not of approved of this issue. you al were ether on the nys trappers bod. or on jti when fisher s eason was shortned i dont remember you saying anything about it. also al you and the bod. have appeased the dec for over 30 years. at some point we as trappers have to make a stand against dec. id rather make a stand than die a death of million little cuts but i like most trappers have a set of balls unlike MOST of the people who have been in position of power in nysta.
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Post by walleyed on Nov 27, 2020 19:47:07 GMT
As for the theft of money, Rockwood had nothing to do with that. The man was an alcoholic, compulsive gambler, and outright thief. I too think this has dragged on far too long and NYSTA has handled it poorly. Far too many excuses, failed lawyers. I doubt any money will be recovered. I will remind everyone that it was I that sounded the alarm on Gamba.I'll throw two B.S. flags on this statement, AL. At two different spring meetings, I gave "Gambling Gamba" my yearly dues in cash. He promised to send a receipt, my window sticker, my membership card, and my subscription to Bob Noonan at the trapper's post. Needless to say, none of that ever happened, and "Gambling Gamba" wouldn't return my phone calls. I brought it up with Rockwood, and related to him my own experience's with my fishing guide's association treasurer absconding with funds. I expressed my concerns that Gamba's actions fit the same pattern and he should investigate immediately. When I saw Gamba in person, I jacked him up over my missing dues situation, and he promptly blamed Bob Noonan. When I contacted Bob Noonan, He assured me he had received no subscription from Gamba. I passed all this information on to Rockwood and he did nothing to investigate. At the same time, NYSTA had voted to donate money ($5,000 ?) towards the LYNX lawsuit in Maine, and Gamba was supposed to cut the Maine trappers a check. He never did, and that dragged on for over a year. Rockwood dragged his feet on dropping the hammer on Gamba until the Treasury was very nearly empty. At the NTA convention at Hamburg, I volunteered for the entire event and watched when Gamba protested keeping an audit of funds taken in at the NYSTA booth and he only had to walk a couple hundred feet from the Convention to the Casino to gamble away NYSTA funds collected each day of the Convention. At our Herkimer State convention, Turning Stone Casino was only a short drive away for "Gambling Gamba" to spend our Association funds,and Rockwood stood by until the last dime was spent. Where were you, AL ? All in my opinion, of course. walleyed
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 27, 2020 20:17:21 GMT
this is my other part of what happened to me with gamba. for two years i didnt recieve my subscription. i was allmost 100% shure i paid the first year. every year the first thing when i go to the convention i paid my dues with cash. so maybe i forgot the first year ? when i asked gamba he was a asshole as normal. 2nd year i 100% the dues when i called everybody about it i could find they said gamba handles this. the 3rd year when i confronted rockwood about it at the convention, he had bob samuelson sp? walk me outside the building so noone could hear us talk i think. bob said its in the S,P. hands. so they could not talk about it. i told bob that as a member who had money taken from i had a right to know what was going on. the members of the b.o.d. who ether stole the money or who turned a blind eye toward it hopefully while be held accountable for there actions AL were are the members of the bod who didnt now about this? why arent they telling there side of this? they could come on here and tell us. maybe there are no innocent ones? who knows. one more thing i was told they would make this riight by me. still waiting
i want to say bob samuelson sp? has done what he can. solid guy
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Post by turtledale on Nov 27, 2020 20:50:56 GMT
Just wanted to add my dues were also stolen by the "gambler" lots of average people got the shaft. Now I'm getting it again by not opening season in Western NY on the tenth. At least I'm still trapping but I made my opinion known to the DEC and NYSTA just to be ignored as usual.
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 27, 2020 21:00:13 GMT
im sorry turtledale
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Post by walleyed on Nov 27, 2020 22:51:11 GMT
Just wanted to add my dues were also stolen by the "gambler" lots of average people got the shaft. Now I'm getting it again by not opening season in Western NY on the tenth. At least I'm still trapping but I made my opinion known to the DEC and NYSTA just to be ignored as usual. That can't be, turtledale. Rockwood contacted every trapper out your way, and nobody wanted to trap rats on November 10th. I'm sure he must have got your opinion, right ? I'd make sure your trapping organizations out your way raised holy he-double hockey sticks over Rockwood's unilaterally shooting down your early November 10th opener. That's one of the most anti-trapper actions I've ever seen perpetrated against trappers in my 48 years as a trapper. Peta, HSUS, and the Fund for Animals have nothing on Johnny Sneakums Rockwood. All in my opinion, of course. walleyed
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Post by fisherman on Nov 28, 2020 1:15:46 GMT
Obviously I am not going to change anyone's mind. I will say that I am not ashamed of anything that I have done in all of this. Let me state that I have long been outspoken against the DEC/Cornell trapper surveys; very carefully worded to trick trappers into giving DEC the results they are looking for.
Going back to the NTA convention at Hamburg I approached then President Ed Hogan with concerns about how Gamba was handling the money.He was Gamba's buddy and blew me off.
It was I that blew the whistle on Gamba at a director's meeting when I stated that I did not buy his treasurer's report, and yes the State Police were contacted.
Finally, to this day I fully support the Gidneys and the tremendous job they did straightening out the financial mess left behind by Gamba. Unfortunately there were some rumor spreaders claiming they were trying to take over NYSTA, the farthest thing from the truth.
As for BOD members,without question, there are some, but not all, that don't belong there. NYSTA has trouble enough filling those seats, let alone getting someone to quit. It was at this time that my responsibility to the membership was not getting met and I resigned,but again, I did nothing wrong in all of this.
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Post by riverrat on Nov 28, 2020 1:56:00 GMT
The State trapping association would have been better served if John and Laura Gidney and Mike Finn would have been given a chance.
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