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Post by firemandivi on Sept 25, 2020 22:40:35 GMT
I know this has been a very hot topic to say the least. I thought I would post the NYSDEC's reason as to why they are proposing the changes, see the pdf posted below. I will try to post every law change I see as soon as I see them if it has to do with trapping, hunting, fishing etc. If you see a new law being proposed and its not on here please start a new thread. Thank you.
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Post by walleyed on Sept 26, 2020 12:14:52 GMT
I know this has been a very hot topic to say the least. I thought I would post the NYSDEC's reason as to why they are proposing the changes, see the pdf posted below. I will try to post every law change I see as soon as I see them if it has to do with trapping, hunting, fishing etc. If you see a new law being proposed and its not on here please start a new thread. Thank you.
Almost all of this season change proposal is admirable and should be supported. However, The loss of the 1st week of Northern Zone muskrat trapping is a terrible loss for both youth trapper recruitment and elderly trapper retention. The DEC's stated goal is to align the water trapping seasons of beaver, mink, and muskrat to a common opener to avoid confusion concerning when the various seasons opened, and to promote pelt prime-ness. The DEC hope with the common opener, they can somehow increase the take of beaver in the Northern Zone. Allegedly, DEC/Cornell trapper's survey have determined that a majority of trapper's prefer to trap prime furbearers. Ask those same trappers if they would give up a week of their muskrat trapping to achieve that goal and you would get a totally different response. Nobody I know wants to give up a week of muskrat trapping that we have had in place for two generation or more in order to harvest a pelt that hasn't got any primer in one week's time. The benefit that DEC hopes to achieve with November 1st opener does not justify the damage done by the loss of our traditional October 25th opener. All in my opinion, of course. walleyed
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Post by trappermac on Oct 3, 2020 22:32:23 GMT
I posted the following on the original NY trappers site, posting it here as there is always the chance the site gets shut down again. And I'd bet some of the guilty have joined here under cover....
I'd like one member of the JTI or the BOD to come on here and explain to me your position and why, regarding opposing the earlier opener in western NY for muskrat and mink. I want you to give me your scientic facts or research that shows a muskrat in your area is prime a full month before mine. I do not want to hear that your opposition was based upon the consensus of trappers in my area, as I know quite a few who are as amazed as I am that you opposed this and many being NYSTA members who were also in the dark on this. Give me your best reasoning for opposing something that trappers in my neck of the woods have desired for a long time. If like you state, the proposal by the DEC was based upon feedback from trapper surveys, does this not indicate to you that this is what trappers wanted in western NY??? You used this as the reason for the loss of a week in the northern zone, so don't pull it off the table when it comes to region 9.
Now I don't know who should answer this (or even if they will) but if its Mr. Rockwood please don't tell me I can email or call you as your info is out there and well known. I am asking as a member out in front of like members, and refuse to do this behind closed doors. All of us in the western zone deserve an explanation, not just one of us. Show us the respect we deserve for being paying members for many years and for putting trust in those who should represent us.
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Post by walleyed1 on Oct 5, 2020 14:30:29 GMT
Good luck getting JTI Chair to answer. The great, all knowing, master of all NYS trappers has already spoken. Just pay your dues, shut up, bend over, and grab your ankles. BOHICA !!!!
walleyed
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Post by ratter48 on Oct 6, 2020 13:08:46 GMT
we will not see any members of jti or nysta ever post on this subject.
if they did honestly post about this subject what would they say?
we screwed all northern ny trappers, we dont care.
all of the them are just as responsable as Gamba is for the finacial problems
that the assoc is in. yes i am talking to you rookwood and you AL
you both are long time board members who knew something was wrong with GAMBA you board members had a moral and a legal obligation to the assoc. you a bunch of moral cowards in myho'
maybe legal problems for them
i hope so.
trappers screwing trappers what a bunch of losers
ps. not talking about new board members
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Post by walleyed on Oct 6, 2020 22:06:28 GMT
we will not see any members of jti or nysta ever post on this subject. if they did honestly post about this subject what would they say? we screwed all northern ny trappers, we dont care.
all of the them are just as responsable as Gamba is for the finacial problems
that the assoc is in. yes i am talking to you rookwood and you AL
you both are long time board members who knew something was wrong with GAMBA you board members had a moral and a legal obligation to the assoc. you a bunch of moral cowards in myho'
maybe legal problems for them
i hope so.
trappers screwing trappers what a bunch of losers
ps. not talking about new board members
Don't hold back, and Sugar coat it Ratter.
Tell us what you really think.
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Post by ratter48 on Oct 6, 2020 22:31:08 GMT
well walleyed
I have never been called bashful.
this issue with losing first week of rat season has cut me to the core.
I am not into politics but these people have ruined my fall season with this crap.
where I trap you get 10 to15 open water days.
it makes it impossible to trap small rivers with a boat
I also have never had a buyer tell me my rats or mink were blue
ps I have caught 8500 to 10,000 rats in my life .but what do I know.
also FRENCHIE DOES NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM
who in an excellent fur handler
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Post by ratter48 on Oct 7, 2020 11:36:35 GMT
as I said we will hear nothing from the board or JTI.
what a bunch of cowards.
maybe calling there lawyers?
maybe attorney generals office looking at this?
come on out FISHERMAN you allways running your mouth lets here some more garbage from you in myho
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Post by walleyed on Oct 9, 2020 15:35:36 GMT
as I said we will hear nothing from the board or JTI. what a bunch of cowards. maybe calling there lawyers? maybe attorney generals office looking at this? come on out FISHERMAN you allways running your mouth lets here some more garbage from you in myho ------------------------- Well ratter48, The NYSTA B.O.D and the ring leader, The JTI Chairman, who is the author of all this screwing New York State's muskrat trappers are now just going to run out the clock until everyone forgets about this. They have succeeded in censoring any substantial mention of this fiasco on both Trapperman.com and Wayne Jones's NY Trapping Forum. Wonder who's been calling the Owners of these sites behind the scenes and getting all the pertinent threads whacked or the sites shut down. Maybe time to get DEC, Bureau of Wildlife to schedule public hearings on these issues so trappers actually have a chance to weigh in on the subject rather than getting screwed by one single Furbuyer/Federal Government trapper who just happens to be the JTI Chairman who wrote the NYSTA position paper submitted to DEC Bureau of Wildlife as the majority opinion of all New York State's trappers, whether they belong to NYSTA, or not. Trappers against Trappers. Sad and disgusting. All in my opinion, of course. walleyed
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Post by firemandivi on Oct 9, 2020 17:47:36 GMT
I know its been posted on other sites but I figured it couldn't hurt to post it here for those who haven't been following everything. Below is the NYSTA response to the proposed changes for mink, muskrat and beaver
To whom it may concern,
The New York State Trappers Association (NYSTA), as a major representative of New York’s fur trappers, would like to herewith provide our official comments regarding the Department’s Proposed Rule Making changes to 6 NYCRR Parts 6.1 and 6.2, ECL Sections 11-0301, 11-0303, 11-1101, and 11-1103 regarding the amendments to change trapping season dates in New York State for mink, muskrat, and beaver as published in the New York State Register on June 3, 2020. The NYSTA and the NYSTA Joint Trapping Initiative Committee would first like to express our sincere appreciation for the expenditure of time, energy, and resources that the Department’s Furbearer Management Team (FMT), biologists, and all other Department personnel committed to the research that led to the development of this proposal. We do have serious concerns that quite possibly, due to the Covid 19 virus effects on everything in our world today, that the Department may not receive an adequate quantity of responses to this proposed rule making from New York’s trappers. Our concerns are based upon the great restrictions on social activity placed on all of us, beginning well before the publication of this proposal in the New York State Register. We hope that this is an incorrect assessment and that the Department receives a significant number of responses upon which to base a sound final decision regarding these important proposed changes. We applaud the Department’s decision to, wherever supported by sound science, align the opening and closing dates of all water seasons for the reasons stipulated. Trappers, as true conservationists, are especially pleased that fur quality and primeness are being taken into account in the decision making processes that determined the results. As true stewards of our natural wildlife resources; population management, conservation, the wise and responsible harvest and use of our valuable and abundant furbearer species is of utmost importance to the NYSTA and it’s membership. Regarding the proposed changes to Part 6.1 outlining changes to the trapping season dates for beaver in New York: We completely support all of the proposed changes to Part 6.1 with but one exception. At the time of the joint meeting between our JTI Committee and the Department’s Furbearer Management Team on September 24, 2019, we were told that the proposal for the beaver trapping season in the Northern Zone WMUs of 5A, 5C, 5F, 5G, 5H, 5J, 6A, 6C, 6F, 6G, 6H, 6J, 6K, and 6N would run completely concurrently with the mink and muskrat trapping seasons in those WMUs. The proposed opening date presented to us was November 1 and the proposed closing date presented was April 15. The JTI and FMT members unanimously agreed that was a very smart change, based on sound science and wildlife management principals, that supported the best interests of all concerned parties. This would completely align all water trapping seasons in those WMUs, providing consistency, lack of confusion, and more opportunity for fur trappers to harvest and utilize beavers that otherwise are likely to be removed and destroyed under nuisance permits. The NYSTA would ask that the Department and the FMT reconsider utilizing April 15 as the closing date of the beaver trapping season in the aforementioned WMUs for the reasons already presented. Regarding the proposed changes to Part 6.2 that provide for changes to trapping season dates for mink and muskrat in New York: 1. The NYSTA fully supports the opening date of November 1 and closing date of April 15 that the Department has proposed for mink and muskrat trapping seasons in WMUs 5A, 5C, 5F, 5G, 5H, 5J, 6A, 6C, 6F, 6G, 6H, 6J, 6K, 6N, and 7A. The current opening date of October 25 has, for far too long, allowed the harvesting of mink and muskrats that were of unprime and inferior quality. We are very pleased to see that the Department has proposed this change of season dates which better promotes responsible and wise harvesting and utilization of our abundant furbearer resources here in New York. 2. The NYSTA completely agrees with the Department’s decision to make no changes to the current opening and closing dates of mink and muskrat trapping seasons in the WMUs where the seasons are currently November 10 – April 7. (Southeastern NY) 3. The input the NYSTA received from Central and Western Southern Zone mink and muskrat trappers was divided Regionally. In the Southern Zone Region 7 WMUs of 7F, 7H, 7J, 7M, 7P, 7R, and 7S the majority of member trappers supported the Department’s proposal for opening mink and muskrat trapping seasons on November 10 with a closing date of February 15 which would align the mink and muskrat season opening dates with that of the beaver trapping season. The NYSTA supports this position for our trapper members of the above listed WMUs. We would like the Department to note that from those same trappers there was much discussion about why the Department had not proposed a completely concurrent trapping season for mink, muskrat, and beaver of November 10 – April 7 which would align those season dates, helping to eliminate confusion and eliminate most of the law enforcement challenges. 4. The NYSTA, based on considerable feedback from the Western Southern Zone Region 8 and Region 9 mink and muskrat trappers, cannot support the proposed opening date of November 10 for the mink and muskrat trapping seasons in Western New York without violating the trust our member trappers have placed in us to represent them. The Department is well aware that Western New York mink and muskrat trappers have been requesting both the Department and the NYSTA to pursue a longer trapping season for mink and muskrat in those regions for many, many years. Most have requested only two additional weeks, mainly because of the very unpredictable weather and the fact that those trappers have a much shorter harvest season than the rest of the state. However, after recently discussing this proposed change directly with numerous trappers in that area of New York State once again, there is a consensus of opinion that those trappers are only interested in changing the present season structure by changing the closing date to February 28 while maintaining an opening date of November 25. Although those trappers would enjoy seeing two additional weeks of opportunity to trap mink and muskrat, and they genuinely appreciate the Department’s attempt to provide that, those trappers stated they could NOT support the proposed earlier opening date of November 10. Each trapper emphatically stated that given only the options of leaving the mink and muskrat trapping season as it is currently or changing it as proposed, they would have to choose no changes to the current opening and closing dates in Western New York. As previously stated, if the Department was to offer the Western New York mink and muskrat trappers a two week longer season that would extend their seasons until February 28, while maintaining the current opening date of November 25, all of the trappers we spoke with would offer their full support for such a change and the NYSTA would support that change as well. Several of the trappers who voiced their opinion sited the potential for difficult, and even dangerous, conflicts with other sportsmen such as waterfowl and deer hunters that would be afield in the marshes at the same time as trappers (sited from personal past experiences). Most also stated that they didn’t want to see mink and muskrat harvested when the fur was yet unprime and the young of the year muskrats had not been allowed to grow nearer their full adult size. The New York State Trappers Association would like to sincerely thank the Department for providing this important opportunity to submit comments on these proposals. Respectfully submitted for the New York State Trappers Association, John Rockwood JTI Committee Chairman New York State Trappers Association 114 County Route 30A Williamstown, NY 13493
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Post by ratter48 on Oct 10, 2020 13:40:16 GMT
I totally agree with you walleyed.
john rockwood is the cause of this problem.
I have no use of him and his henchmen.
I would like to see him and the whole jti resign but they wont because they are power hungry.
he also help cover up the facts of the stealing of money from NYSTA.
some people will ask how do you know?
well i will tell you. the year I found out about it trough the internet
i went to the convention as allways, i went tothe table for NYSTA .I then confronted rockwood about it .he said he didnt want to say anything about it. per nysp. i told him that was bs he then had
someone maybe bob samuelson wrong spelling sorry take me out of building. to talk to me where less people could hear us ? bob said they couldnt tell members anything. i said as members we had a right to know. I then told bob I hadnt got a trapperspost in 2 years bob said they would give free memberships to people . who had been affected by gamba. I told him no thanks if nysta couldnt trust me with the information about the theft of funds. then screw off. i had been member for about 20 years.
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Post by ratter48 on Nov 24, 2020 4:47:52 GMT
the rumor out there is this will be reposted on the states web site on nov 25. please please give your comments if this happens.
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Post by walleyed on Nov 24, 2020 13:05:47 GMT
the rumor out there is this will be reposted on the states web site on nov 25. please please give your comments if this happens. ratter48, What is the URL (uniform resource locator) of this state website of which you speak so that I may go to this website to monitor it for the activity of which you are referring to ? thanks. walleyed
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Post by riverrat on Nov 24, 2020 15:54:38 GMT
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Post by walleyed on Nov 24, 2020 16:43:30 GMT
No, I know all about the NYS register. You mentioned a "state website", not the NYS Register. I was inquiring about the "state website" that I had not yet heard about until you mentioned one. w
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