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Post by ratter48 on Dec 16, 2020 18:17:21 GMT
Here we go again! Walleyed wants an earlier season again! This time for beaver. Why don't we just open up everything on August 1 for these fair weather trappers. Under ice? What's that? Prime? What's that? Just so these guys can use sunscreen when they are trapping those blue critters. Now Von gets dragged into it. Seems to me that Von and Rockwood are pretty smart to take Federal jobs with benefits.Who else are you going to blame? boy your a drama queen, hard to believe you were in a position of power in nysta and jti. theres nothing wrong with them taking federal jobs. whats wrong is being on jti. and nysta. bod at same time. geez your not seeing the point. again its only common sense.
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Post by walleyed on Dec 16, 2020 18:49:20 GMT
The real reason that Walleye is down on me is because I have sided with Rockwood, and now Von against his never ending crying. Now he is even dragging Dave Miller into his hate campaign. Let me tell you that if it were not for Dave Miller we would not be enjoying trapping today in New York. Period. AL West, The reason I respond to your B.S. posts at all is because of your repeated personal attacks on me on this forum and Wayne Jones's website. You attack me, I'm going to hit you right back. John Rockwood drew 1st blood on Wayne Jones's website when he accused me of being a liar on the open forum because I posted the results of our conversation concerning the Season Change Proposal at the NYSTA Herkimer convention. I don't care for being publicly called out as a Liar and will never forgive him for that, especially when he was the one that was lying about our conversation. You characterizing my posts as never ending crying and a hate campaign are more of the same. The NYSTA dues paying membership is not interested in supporting Rockwood as JTI Chairman when He puts his own personal interests above those of NYS's 14,000 Licensed trappers. He needs to resign, and let someone who has the back of New York State's trapping community rather than his lining his own back pocket. All in my opinion, of course. walleyed
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Post by fisherman on Dec 16, 2020 19:36:43 GMT
Hey Walleyed, I heard that you voted for Biden
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Post by ratter48 on Dec 16, 2020 19:58:11 GMT
Hey Walleyed, I heard that you voted for Biden boy AL your something else
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Post by trappermac on Dec 16, 2020 22:51:07 GMT
I will also say that the NYSTA/JTI including Rockwood and perhaps mostly Rockwood did not act in the best interest of trappers when the season changes were being proposed by the DEC. In my opinion, a few guys in the back room made decisions for 10,000 trappers as they felt they knew better than anyone else. I can guess who those few guys were. Rockwood claiming "well I asked the reps to speak to their constituents and if they disagreed with our position let me know asap", was weak at best and a symptom of a greater problem. No effort was made by him to ensure that he indeed was representing all trappers in the state, not even NYSTA members. I benefited in the DEC turning a deaf ear on the NYSTA's position, I got my earlier rat and mink opener, which NYSTA opposed! But guys like Bob got screwed out of a week of the same, and the NYSTA supported that! Lets not lose sight of the facts and lay the integrity label where it does not belong.
And I for one am so sick of hearing.."if it wasn't for Dave Miller....", bullsh@t! How about if it wasn't for the trappers who supported NYSTA and paid his salary! That's right, if it wasn't for us loyal members who always paid our dues and put trust in an organization to properly represent us and to guard our monies...if it wasn't for us....trapping would have been doomed in NYS. Dave deserves no pedestal over any dues paying member. He simply did what we paid him to do. I could do it, I know 20 guys that could do it if paid to do it. Many of his financial actions while holding that position are questionable as well. And if Gamba was investigated I am certain others besides him would be caught up in that investigation....so don't expect it to ever happen. And Von? The same guy who told me I don't belong in the NYSTA because I had an opinion! Who claims that Bob and I have done more to hurt trapping than any anti? Don't get me started. And ratter I will stick by my position that Al is not the reason for the Gamba fiasco, that falls on those who were charged with Directing and Presiding over the organization. Blame those two..you know who they are/were. Just because Al is the closest target I don't feel his presence on this site deserves the entire barrage.
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Post by walleyed on Dec 16, 2020 23:32:01 GMT
I will also say that the NYSTA/JTI including Rockwood and perhaps mostly Rockwood did not act in the best interest of trappers when the season changes were being proposed by the DEC. In my opinion, a few guys in the back room made decisions for 10,000 trappers as they felt they knew better than anyone else. I can guess who those few guys were. Rockwood claiming "well I asked the reps to speak to their constituents and if they disagreed with our position let me know asap", was weak at best and a symptom of a greater problem. No effort was made by him to ensure that he indeed was representing all trappers in the state, not even NYSTA members. I benefited in the DEC turning a deaf ear on the NYSTA's position, I got my earlier rat and mink opener, which NYSTA opposed! But guys like Bob got screwed out of a week of the same, and the NYSTA supported that! Lets not lose sight of the facts and lay the integrity label where it does not belong. And I for one am so sick of hearing.."if it wasn't for Dave Miller....", bullsh@t! How about if it wasn't for the trappers who supported NYSTA and paid his salary! That's right, if it wasn't for us loyal members who always paid our dues and put trust in an organization to properly represent us and to guard our monies...if it wasn't for us....trapping would have been doomed in NYS. Dave deserves no pedestal over any dues paying member. He simply did what we paid him to do. I could do it, I know 20 guys that could do it if paid to do it. Many of his financial actions while holding that position are questionable as well. And if Gamba was investigated I am certain others besides him would be caught up in that investigation....so don't expect it to ever happen. And Von? The same guy who told me I don't belong in the NYSTA because I had an opinion! Who claims that Bob and I have done more to hurt trapping than any anti? Don't get me started. And ratter I will stick by my position that Al is not the reason for the Gamba fiasco, that falls on those who were charged with Directing and Presiding over the organization. Blame those two..you know who they are/were. Just because Al is the closest target I don't feel his presence on this site deserves the entire barrage. Well put Mac, I for one have not accused AL WEST of any wrong doing with NYSTA. But when he talks smack about me, he's going to get it back with both barrels every time he launches a personal attack on me for having the audacity to speak out about NYSTA's failures. Rockwood was charged as JTI Chair with representing NYS's trappers, and he failed in that regard, and then lied about it while demonizing those who did speak out to deflect blame away from himself. I for one will continue to speak out until there are changes made and we start to get some representation that is not a hand picked Rockwood sycophant. As it is now, If you want to serve as a County rep or regional director you have to pledge fealty to Lord Rockwood or he will actively campaign against your appointment and work behind the scenes to discredit anyone who disagrees with him. I've seen it many times in the 10 years I have known him. Rockwood's got to go. All in my opinion, of course. walleyed
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Post by ratter48 on Dec 17, 2020 0:00:36 GMT
I will also say that the NYSTA/JTI including Rockwood and perhaps mostly Rockwood did not act in the best interest of trappers when the season changes were being proposed by the DEC. In my opinion, a few guys in the back room made decisions for 10,000 trappers as they felt they knew better than anyone else. I can guess who those few guys were. Rockwood claiming "well I asked the reps to speak to their constituents and if they disagreed with our position let me know asap", was weak at best and a symptom of a greater problem. No effort was made by him to ensure that he indeed was representing all trappers in the state, not even NYSTA members. I benefited in the DEC turning a deaf ear on the NYSTA's position, I got my earlier rat and mink opener, which NYSTA opposed! But guys like Bob got screwed out of a week of the same, and the NYSTA supported that! Lets not lose sight of the facts and lay the integrity label where it does not belong. And I for one am so sick of hearing.."if it wasn't for Dave Miller....", bullsh@t! How about if it wasn't for the trappers who supported NYSTA and paid his salary! That's right, if it wasn't for us loyal members who always paid our dues and put trust in an organization to properly represent us and to guard our monies...if it wasn't for us....trapping would have been doomed in NYS. Dave deserves no pedestal over any dues paying member. He simply did what we paid him to do. I could do it, I know 20 guys that could do it if paid to do it. Many of his financial actions while holding that position are questionable as well. And if Gamba was investigated I am certain others besides him would be caught up in that investigation....so don't expect it to ever happen. And Von? The same guy who told me I don't belong in the NYSTA because I had an opinion! Who claims that Bob and I have done more to hurt trapping than any anti? Don't get me started. "And ratter I will stick by my position that Al is not the reason for the Gamba fiasco, that falls on those who were charged with Directing and Presiding over the organization. Blame those two..you know who they are/were." Just because Al is the closest target I don't feel his presence on this site deserves the entire barrage. i would gladly "shift the barrage" but in all honesty i dont know who they are,
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Post by fisherman on Dec 17, 2020 2:27:17 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that this peeing contest is pointless and childish. No one is going to change their opinion. I will say that some of the participants in these discussions do not have a clue as to what actually transpired. As for me, I will stick with NYSTA and JTI despite any faults they may have. It is the only things we have to protect our trapping.
One final point I would like to make. When I decided to step down as Chairman of the JTI Committee I looked around at who would be the best person for the job. Clearly it was John Rockwood, a man of honesty, integrity, trapping know how, and a gentleman. It was I that maneuvered and nominated him for the job and to this day I do not regret it. So go ahead Bob and blow a gasket.
As for me I'm going to sit back, have a glass of egg nog, continue my recovery, and enjoy life. Merry Christmas everyone.
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Post by walleyed on Dec 17, 2020 13:44:07 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that this peeing contest is pointless and childish. No one is going to change their opinion. I will say that some of the participants in these discussions do not have a clue as to what actually transpired. As for me, I will stick with NYSTA and JTI despite any faults they may have. It is the only things we have to protect our trapping. One final point I would like to make. When I decided to step down as Chairman of the JTI Committee I looked around at who would be the best person for the job. Clearly it was John Rockwood, a man of honesty, integrity, trapping know how, and a gentleman. It was I that maneuvered and nominated him for the job and to this day I do not regret it. So go ahead Bob and blow a gasket. As for me I'm going to sit back, have a glass of egg nog, continue my recovery, and enjoy life. Merry Christmas everyone. Does this mean you are going to finally shut your pie-hole ? Or are you going to nominate "Johnny Sneakums Rockwood" for Sainthood for saving the muskrats, curing cancer, and walking on water ? It's apparent you have a non-sexual male crush on Rockwood but the rest of us suffer from no such affliction. Rockwood has betrayed NYSTA's membership and sold us down the river while stealing a week's worth of our Northern Zone trapping season. He needs to go before he does NYS trapping any more irreparable damage. All in my opinion, of course. walleyed
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Post by fisherman on Dec 17, 2020 17:47:23 GMT
Your response tells it all.
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Post by ratter48 on Dec 17, 2020 22:30:07 GMT
Your response tells it all. no YOUR RESPONSE TELLS IT ALL.
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Post by fisherman on Dec 17, 2020 22:35:22 GMT
And now we hear from the man without a clue.
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Post by ratter48 on Dec 18, 2020 0:16:41 GMT
And now we hear from the man without a clue. "without a clue", at least i know enough to call the cops when people steal from a organization. not resign because it was the easy thing to do. your a moral COWARD,
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Post by fisherman on Dec 18, 2020 15:18:52 GMT
As I said, without a clue, the State Police were contacted and Gamba was arrested.Get your facts right.
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Post by ratter48 on Dec 19, 2020 0:29:48 GMT
As I said, without a clue, the State Police were contacted and Gamba was arrested.Get your facts right. yes they were, but it was over a year after you quit,you should of called the cops instead of quiting,less money and less trappers would of been screwed out of there money. you and rest of the board members have never answered the question. why wasnt the cash register replaced after it was found to be broken. i maybe can see one year but at least 3 years. what were you thinkin??? answer the question AL. it looks like your the one who has NO CLUE.
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