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Post by fisherman on Jan 2, 2021 16:08:04 GMT
It is my opinion that DEC should go back to the fisher management days of Gary Parsons and Mark Brown. It is also my opinion that DEC presently does not have a clue in proper fisher management. I would like to see a season closure of a year or two, as they did in the past, to let the Adirondack population rebound. I'm only suggesting a closure in certain Adirondack WMU's, not the entire state. Also, contrary to the views of NYSTA I would like to see a catch limit of 6 fisher. One final suggestion; the fisher season opens too early and I would like to see it run during the month of December. In particular the October season in the southern tier is ridiculous. So go ahead and jump on me for my thoughts on this. |
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Post by ratter48 on Jan 2, 2021 16:44:22 GMT
It is my opinion that DEC should go back to the fisher management days of Gary Parsons and Mark Brown. It is also my opinion that DEC presently does not have a clue in proper fisher management. I would like to see a season closure of a year or two, as they did in the past, to let the Adirondack population rebound. I'm only suggesting a closure in certain Adirondack WMU's, not the entire state. Also, contrary to the views of NYSTA I would like to see a catch limit of 6 fisher. One final suggestion; the fisher season opens too early and I would like to see it run during the month of December. In particular the October season in the southern tier is ridiculous. So go ahead and jump on me for my thoughts on this. once you close a season you wont ever get it back, we all have seen this before.they will not close only certain wmu if they close it they will close ALL OF THE ADKS.THERE IS ALLMOST NO ONEtrapping fisher now. you would think your idol rockwood and you would no this. there is the normal amount of fisher sign where i go. i wont trap them for the price they are bringing.i respect the animal to much.there should never be a catch limit on any animal but marten. what kind of guy would want to limit trappers in nys? i have the answer DUMB ONES, like you and rockwood. six fishers ha ive caught that in one day and i am not a fisher trapper. thank god people see now what a horrible person you are in regards to letting trappers trap. |
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Post by walleyed on Jan 2, 2021 19:07:54 GMT
"I would like to see a season closure of a year or two, as they did in the past, to let the Adirondack population rebound. I'm only suggesting a closure in certain Adirondack WMU's, not the entire state".
Well it's a good thing you aren't running fur bearer management
for the Bureau of Wildlife because you can't stockpile wildlife
That's lesson #1 in fur bearer biology/management 101.
Fisher are a low productivity, delayed implantation species
of the weasel family.
If the mast crop/prey species populations are not suitable for
a large litter, female fisher will abort all, or part of their litter.
Adirondack Park forever wild restrictions on logging climax forests
within the forest preserve would play a greater role in fisher population
productivity than any DEC closure or bag limit could ever achieve.
The gradual migration of fisher from the central Adirondacks
to periphery of the foothills, and from Tughill Plateau to the
Tughill transitional WMU's are proof positive that fisher are
going where the food & prey species are and
no season closure is going to change that.
If you were a DEC Forest Ranger, It must be that you were asleep
behind the door when they taught wildlife biology, that is, if you
attended college at all.
"I would like to see a catch limit of 6 fisher".
Supporting the DEC, Bureau of Wildlife's hunger for Bag limits is
just begging for fisher eventually gaining "Trophy Status"
where you get to harvest just one, and eventually,
you'll first have to draw a tag in a lottery
for the lucky privilege of trapping one.
This plays right into the arms of the animal rights faction of DEC
biologists that have, sadly, infiltrated the ranks of Bureau of Wildlife.
It's just another example of the "death of a thousands cuts" road
we trappers are being gently nudged down with eventual goal of
non-harvest or severely limited options.
This with no sound biological reasoning such as over harvest,
but rather ignoring the changing environment factors at play
"The fisher season opens too early and I would like to see it run during the month of December."
While I agree that fisher would be more valuable caught in a later
December season, there is a significant portion of our older trapping
demographic who would rather trap before bad weather sets in
and limits their access to key areas where fisher trapping takes place.
Without a honest, across the board trapper census that specifically
asks trappers exactly when they would like the fisher season to run,
we will be at the mercy of oblique angle Cornell University questions
designed to trick trappers into answering questions that support
trapping seasons that they do not, indeed support.
Every single trapper in NYS who buys a trapping license should get a
census/survey and to hell with the excuse that we can't afford the
cost to canvass every trapper. That's a B.S. Excuse.
All in my opinion, of course.
walleyed
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Post by fisherman on Jan 2, 2021 20:42:46 GMT
Surprise! For once I have to agree with most of what Walleyed had to say. I will not bother to respond to that other jackass above you. Where I was coming from was being that fisher have a relatively low reproductive rate I do not think that a trapper that takes 80 fisher is helping things.
I have seen DEC reopen closed fisher seasons in the past, but I agree that you no longer can trust them. As Frenchie once said, "Once they close the season you will never get it back".
There are so many factors affecting the decline in Adirondack fisher, and primarily the forest preserve restrictions. Add to that a regional wildlife manager that doesn't know squat about wildlife.I too have to agree with your comments about the Cornell census; designed to trick trappers and only support DEC wishes.
Also, I have to agree with this "Trophy" brilliance from DEC. Just look at the October southern tier season.
One more thing; to support your comments about re-opening a season; just look at the Catskill / Mohawk Valley otter closure. How many decades has it been?
So yes I did graduate from college, on the dean's list as a matter of fact, and I graduated from the ranger training at Paul Smith's.
So surprise, your comments are well said and well thought out.
As for the jackass above you perhaps we should send him back to school to learn to spell!
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Post by walleyed on Jan 2, 2021 21:13:48 GMT
yes I did graduate from college, on the dean's list as a matter of fact, and I graduated from the ranger training at Paul Smith's. So surprise, your comments are well said and well thought out. As for the jackass above you perhaps we should send him back to school to learn to spell! Graduated from Smitty's ? Well Heck AL, They're a 2nd string forestry school for ne'er-do-wells !!! Why didn't you go to SUNY ESF @ Syracuse University and do your Ranger Training at Wanakena ? Smitty's Grads are the Rodney Dangerfield's of The Forestry Industry !!!  Should of at least attended University Of Maine @ Oreno, or Dartmouth. No wonder you have such an inferiority complex !!! All in my opinion, of course. w |
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Post by ratter48 on Jan 2, 2021 21:29:34 GMT
Surprise! For once I have to agree with most of what Walleyed had to say. I will not bother to respond to that other jackass above you. Where I was coming from was being that fisher have a relatively low reproductive rate I do not think that a trapper that takes 80 fisher is helping things. I have seen DEC reopen closed fisher seasons in the past, but I agree that you no longer can trust them. As Frenchie once said, "Once they close the season you will never get it back". There are so many factors affecting the decline in Adirondack fisher, and primarily the forest preserve restrictions. Add to that a regional wildlife manager that doesn't know squat about wildlife.I too have to agree with your comments about the Cornell census; designed to trick trappers and only support DEC wishes. Also, I have to agree with this "Trophy" brilliance from DEC. Just look at the October southern tier season. One more thing; to support your comments about re-opening a season; just look at the Catskill / Mohawk Valley otter closure. How many decades has it been? So yes I did graduate from college, on the dean's list as a matter of fact, and I graduated from the ranger training at Paul Smith's. So surprise, your comments are well said and well thought out. As for the jackass above you perhaps we should send him back to school to learn to spell! thats the last time al,if you disrespect me one more time. i will beat the shit out of you, your sons and anyone else. i say what i mean, i do what i say. you are a real piece of work. i let you run your mouth because your an old man, thats over. i live in st.regis falls. you know where that is because you went to paul smiths. come here tough guy i would like nothing better than dotting your eyes for you. your a embarrassment to yourself. i now see why the nysta is so poorly run. |
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Post by fisherman on Jan 3, 2021 15:51:07 GMT
You must be some tough guy wanting to beat up an 82 year old man. In my day I would gladly take you on.
You are right, I have absolutely no respect for you. You run your mouth without knowing facts, a real hot head.
Grow up.
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Post by ratter48 on Jan 3, 2021 23:02:18 GMT
You must be some tough guy wanting to beat up an 82 year old man. In my day I would gladly take you on. You are right, I have absolutely no respect for you. You run your mouth without knowing facts, a real hot head. Grow up. what facts? the ones you and rockwood and his cronies wont tell the average nysta members. you have been warned, dont call me names i will not be disrespected by you. grow up? youre one of the members who dont want the members to ask questions about a thief,lying,conflicts of interest. i will tell you your insults about my spelling mean you need to GROW UP. and AL im a proud grad of CANTON ATC. |
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Post by fisherman on Jan 4, 2021 1:32:04 GMT
Think what you want.There is no point arguing with you. As to suppressing members questions, bring them on. I am a supporter of NYSTA and JTI,however I do NOT agree with everything they do or preach. Your big bugaboo seems to be the loss of that week of rat season, mine is the loss of over two weeks of fisher season. I don't know you and don't want to. We are getting nowhere with throwing stuff back and forth.
I do congratulate you on your graduation from Canton. I am a proud graduate of SUNY Delhi, degree in agriculture.
To clear the air with everybody I did not study forestry in college. I got my job with DEC through a political appointment; it's a long story. I did work for DEC as a walk in ranger in the Siamese Ponds Wilderness Area and as a ranger working out of a boat on Lake George. I did go for ranger training at Paul Smith's, but I am not a graduate of that college.
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Post by trappermac on Jan 4, 2021 1:34:54 GMT
My god, it's like being back in junior high. There has been a whole bunch of disrespect thrown around in this forum, including from you ratter. Now we got trappers wanting to kick another trappers ass, and his kids. You got to be kidding me. All my years in trapping forums I've never seen anything like this, except on the brown site which got members evicted.
I'm out of here.
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Post by ratter48 on Jan 4, 2021 2:09:52 GMT
My god, it's like being back in junior high. There has been a whole bunch of disrespect thrown around in this forum, including from you ratter. Now we got trappers wanting to kick another trappers ass, and his kids. You got to be kidding me. All my years in trapping forums I've never seen anything like this, except on the brown site which got members evicted. I'm out of here. im sorry you feel that way. i am not going to be disrespected by him, i told him to bring his kids because he keeps telling me hes old. i am old school people run there mouth, we settle it. ether we say sorry, or things escalate. this is at least the 2nd time you have threatened to quit because of what people have wrote. then you want to ban me. why dont you hit me with your purse lol |
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Post by trappermac on Jan 4, 2021 2:35:46 GMT
I never said I wanted to ban you....but if I could I would ban you. You're an ass. My kids are all girls in case you want to beat on them as well, show us the man you are.
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Post by ratter48 on Jan 4, 2021 2:50:34 GMT
I never said I wanted to ban you....but if I could I would ban you. You're an ass. My kids are all girls in case you want to beat on them as well, show us the man you are. i would never hit a women. when i put kids i should of put sons thats my fault im sorry for that. i have no problem with you. or any one in this forum except al. i to have a daughter. i will not call you names even if you must. |
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Post by walleyed on Jan 4, 2021 3:59:45 GMT
This whole thing started when Rockwood called me a liar
on both Wayne's site and the brown site over a conversation
about the season change proposal.
Rockwood had failed in his duty as JTI Chair to communicate with
me from early June through the Herkimer convention in September.
He refused to take my phone calls and then, when I posted a short synopsis
about the the details of our conversation online and brought to light
the lack of transparency in process he flipped out and spent two pages
denouncing me on the two forums.
If you say anything about NYSTA or Rockwood on wayne's NY trapping site
or the brown site you will be censored or banned for speaking out.
No civil discourse is allowed, and then AL WEST followed us here
from wayne's site to continue his bashing, harassing and trolling.
This forum was created as an alternative to wayne's censored trapping site
and the brown site where we have so far been allowed to speak our minds
about the big problems with NYSTA and ROCKWOOD.
It seems AL WEST's only mission is to act as an attack dog and turn every
conversation into a personal attack to keep us from discussing and informing
trappers about the conflicts of interest, financial wrong doing,
and denial of important information regarding NYSTA and JTI's actions.
The conversation concerning NYSTA, Rockwood, and the JTI
committee will continue whether AL WEST likes it or not.
If AL WEST doesn't like our topic of conversation,
or only wishes to start an argument,
he should refrain from commenting and go away.
All in my opinion, of course.
walleyed
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Post by ratter48 on Jan 4, 2021 4:19:30 GMT
if im wrong im sorry. i am not perfect.
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